ID: I11726 Name: Emma RAMSEY Surname:
Ramsey Given Name: Emma Sex: F
Birth: ABT 1062 in Carrick,Argyllshire,Scotland
Death: ABT 1094 Reference Number: AFGenWTFS
_UID: 0F61A272B289D611B1FA00045A71E4BEC228
_PRIMARY: Y Change Date: 25 Sep 2003 at 01:00:00
Father:
William Ramsey Duke of BRITTANY b: 1027 in Bretagne, Normandy,
France
Father:
William RAMSEY
Father:
Alain V of Bretagne RAMSAY b: ABT 1000 in , , Bretagne, France
Marriage 1
Adam (Adelm) BRUS b: ABT 1051 in Carrick,Argyllshire,Scotland
Children
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Robert deBrus III Lord of ANNANDALE b: 1071 in Annandale,
Dumfries, Scotland
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Thanks to Rex Malcolm Ramsay for the above
information which shows a early link to the Ramsay's in Scotland and a link to
the Kings of Scotland
1066 An obscure German Pirate the progenitor of the
Ramsay’s follows William the Conqueror to
England. This is the origin of the Ramsay Black Eagle battle emblem.
1090 He or probably his son joined
Malcom IIIof Scotland and lived by
robbing the natives!
1140 Simundus de Ramseia a French nobleman, also served with
Alexander III and was the first to have landed at Dalwolsie (now Dalhousie). The Ramsay’s
became notorious border raiders and were always in demand when throats were to
be cuts
1140-1280 The Ramsay’s acquired large estates through marriage with the
heiress of the Maules, a family of Norman mercenaries who had also been hired by
King David and who had secured royal grants of land in Midlothian and the Carse
of Gowrie.
1280 Ramsay de Dalwolsey builds the inner Keep with Vaults and the bottle
dungeon.
1296 Edward I of England stays at Castle before Battle of Falkirk when
Sir William Wallace was defeated.
Ragman Roll
Edward I ordered the stone of Destiny on which the Scottish kings were
crowned also the Holyrood and all documents and papers that might show that
Scotland had at once been an independent kingdom to be taken to England.
Last of all Edward made those who had land in Scotland sign their names or
have them signed in a list to show that they recognised him as their king. If
the names were not entered in the list their lands were to be taken from them.
The list of names is called the Ragman roll. The names have been printed in a
book and they can be still read today. There are about 2000 names and they are
the chief names in Scotland, amongst them is Ramsay and Robert the Bruce
1302 THE BATTLE OF ROSLIN 23/ 24 Febuary
Late in the year 1302, arrangements were well in hand for
the wedding of Lady Margaret Ramsay of Dalhousie to Sir Henry St Clair of
Rosslyn. These tidings were learned by Sir John Seagrave in England which
caused him intense fury and he had little difficulty in persuading Edward to
order yet another punitive expedition into Scotland from his base at Carlisle to
destroy the castles of Borthwick, Dalhousie and Rosslyn. About the middle of
February 1303, an English army of some 30,000 men crossed the border under cover
of darkness, without the warning invasion beacons being lit on the Border hills,
and made their way north via Melrose. It was here that the English army made
what was later to transpire as a fatal mistake by splitting into three parts,
each of about 10,000 men, with Sir Robert Neville heading for Borthwick, Sir
Ralph Confrey making towards Dalhousie and Sir John Seagrave, accompanied by
Ralph de Manton or "Ralph the Cofferer" as he was known as the English
paymaster, setting out for Rosslyn.
The invading forces managed to approach reasonably close to
their objectives before warning was sent to Prior Abernethy of Mountlothian who
immediately sent riders to alert such important leaders as Sir William Wallace
near Paisley, Sir John Comyn near Glasgow, Somerfield of Carnwath, Lockhart of
Lee, Sir Symon Fraser of Nidpath, Flemming of Cumbernauld and the Knights of St
John at Torphichen urging them to muster with all speed at Biggar and by the
afternoon of 23 February 1303 some 8,000 Scots had assembled there. Overall
command of the Scottish forces was offered to Sir William Wallace but he
declined in view of what had happened to him previously at Falkirk, so Sir Symon
Fraser was appointed as supreme commander. The Scots moved out to Carlops where
they were fed by the monks and Prior Abernethy said Mass.
On arrival near Roslin the English force under Sir John
Seagrave en-camped on high ground just south of the river North Esk and
relatively close to the river and Rosslyn Castle. A monk, under a flag of truce,
was sent to the castle demanding the immediate surrender of Sir Henry St Clair
and Lady Margaret Ramsay. This mission was greeted with derision and the
unfortunate monk was hanged from the highest point of the castle in full view of
the English army, whereupon Seagrave ordered that scaling ladders and battering
rams were to be prepared for a direct assault on the castle early on the
following morning.
During the night of 23/24 February 1303 the Scots moved out
from Carlops under the guidance of Prior Abernethy who was very well acquainted
with the entire countryside, and made their way across difficult country until
they arrived at the river Esk somewhere between Penicuik and Roslin. Some 3,000
Scots under Sir John Comyn went into hiding in the woods on the west bank of the
Esk where we know that an important gunpowder factory was later situated in
1804. The remaining 5,000 Scots crossed the river and circled to the south east
under the command of Sir Symon Fraser and his guide Prior Abernethy. The right
wing was led by Sir William Wallace, the centre by Lockhart of Lee and the left
wing was under Somerfield of Carnwath forming a large crescent to envelop the
English camp, gradually contracting and concentrating as they moved in.
The very early morning was dark and cloudy so that the
Scots were able to get very close to the English camp before being challenged,
where-upon the order was given for a full scale charge and the Scots fell upon
the enemy as they were awakened from their slumbers. The raucous yells and
cheers of the attackers caused the English to imagine that they were being
assaulted by a vastly superior force and in the darkness and confusion the
English sustained very severe casualties. In the melee, some part of the English
force rushed to make an escape through the pass in the forest towards the south
west but they were confronted by Sir John Comyn and his men who had emerged from
ambush on the haugh, which was to be used in 1719 as a bleachfield, and many of
the fugitives were drowned in the linn of the river.
The English losses were so terrible that Seagrave soon
realised that further resistance, or indeed escape, were out of the question.
He surrendered himself to Sir William Wallace and pleaded for quarter for the
mangled remnants of his force. The English troops followed the ex-ample of
their leader and threw down their arms. The prisoners were herded into
outhouses near the chapel of --St Matthew under guard while
the wounded Scots were tended in Rosslyn Castle and Seagrave was placed in the
custody of Bill Clelland, his former page. Thus ended the first stage of the
Battle of Roslin, with an overwhelming victory for the Scots at only marginal
cost to themselves in the form of casualties. The bodies of the dead, including
that of Ralph de Manton (the Cofferer), were buried in the sandy slope of the
west bank of the river Esk which is still referred to by some of the older
residents of Roslin as "the soldiers' grave."
Since it was probable that a few of the survivors of the
first phase of the battle had fled towards Dalhousie and Borthwick to warn their
comrades of this initial defeat, Sir Symon Fraser arranged for a hasty meal to
be provided for his men from Rosslyn Castle and then formed a line of battle on
the top of sloping ground to the west of Roslin, possibly where Langhill Farm is
situated now, some little way beyond a stream flowing from south to north. All
this had scarcely been accomplished when an English force was observed
approaching across the plain at Rosewell, having abandoned the siege of
Dalhousie Castle.
This fresh army passed through the site of the earlier
battle and up the narrow pass until coming to a halt on the eastern side of the
stream facing the Scots. Without delay and without reconnoitering the layout of
the terrain, the English army charged towards the Scots but were met with
volleys of arrows from the Scots archers so that the attacking ranks were broken
up and thrown into confusion. The scene quickly became one of tremendous noise
and carnage, forcing Sir Ralph Confrey to veer his force towards the north
without realising that he was headed for a steep ravine and burn where very many
English horsemen plunged to their deaths until the burn became choked with dead
men and horses
The English prisoners in St Matthew's Chapel outhouses
heard the noise of the conflict and broke out of confinement by overpowering the
meagre guards and rushed towards the scene of battle, picking up such weapons as
they could find. However, a strong Scottish force turned on them and the
majority of the escapers were slain. Sir John Seagrave and his custodian Bill
Clelland witnessed this carnage and Seagrave pleaded with Clelland for his
release, promising that never again would he return to Scotland but would
intercede with Edward to cease from further aggression. This was a difficult
decision for Clelland to make because he and his wife had been protected by his
former master since the start of the siege of Rosslyn Castle, but eventually
Clelland agreed to help his former master to escape. This was the conclusion of
the second phase of the Battle of Roslin, where once again, a superior English
army was completely defeated with only minimal losses by the Scots.
By this time the small Scottish army had been on the move
all throughout the previous night to complete long and arduous forced marches
over very rough territory and had fought two engagements with the minimum of
food and rest. They were nearly exhausted and faced with yet another battle
against 10,000 fresh English troops from Borthwick under Sir Robert Neville.
Prior Abernethy of Carlops had anticipated such an eventuality and had earlier
dispatched a small number of his brother monks with ropes and axes on a special
mission to the top of the Pentland hills.
The Scots moved about a mile further north along the edge
of the stream and took up position near the edge of a precipitous escarpment
overlooking the river Esk and a small area of flat ground where the village of
Polton was eventually built. The Prior made an impassioned address to the weary
Scots, reminding them of the miseries endured by Scotland at the hands of Edward
and the insults perpetuated on the Church. On seeing that the stage was set for
his exhibition, he commanded the Scots to turn about and look towards the top
of the Pentland Hills where a huge wooden cross had been erected for all to see.
The location of this cross was later named "Abernethy Hill" but is now known as
Carnethy Hill. The place where the Prior delivered his oration was named "Monks
Miracle" or "Monks Marle" and is now known as Mountmarle in honour of the Prior.
The spectacle of this cross put fresh heart into the Scots who, once again, took
up battle formation to await an onslaught.
All the looters from the surrounding area who had gathered
to retrieve the spoils were herded under cover of the woods at the top of the
ravine along with a large detachment of the Scots army. The Scottish casual-ties
were replaced by Sir Edward Ramsay of Dalhousie and Sir Gilbert Hay of Borthwick
together with a retinue of armed retainers and tenants of the monks of Newbattle.
In the early afternoon the third English force was seen approaching from the
direction of Rosewell having given up the siege of Borthwick Castle and for the
third time on this memorable day another fierce battle was joined.
Once again the Scottish archers created havoc in the
English ranks with the looters emerging from hiding in the woods. This spread
confusion and despair among the attackers who attempted to break away towards
the east but, being unfamiliar with the terrain, they found themselves too late
careering towards the precipitous ravine of the river Esk over which very many
perished. The English casualties were so horrendous that the Scottish commanders
called a halt to the slaughter and allowed the battered remains of the invaders
to make their escape. The location of this engagement was named "The Hewan" and
the hollow near the Esk where so many horses and men were buried became known as
the "stinking rig." Thus ended the third phase of the battle of Roslin with a
crushing defeat of a vastly superior English army by a small Scottish force.
The place of carnage of the second phase was named
"Dreadful Den" or "Dreeden" and a mansion was later constructed by Lockhart of
Lee on the estate which was called Dryden. So many bones were subsequently
turned up during ploughing in the area to the west of the stream that the name
Shinbanes Field marks it to this day, while the stream itself in which so many
died is now known as the Kill Burn. The large wooden cross from the top of the
Pentland Hills was carried down the glen of the Logan Burn and put on display at
"Glen Cross" or as it is known today Glencorse. Prior Abernethy of Carlops
caused three elegant crosses to be erected on top of the hills above Carlops in
memory of the three Scottish victories but no trace of them now remains.
Pilgrims carried large stones to the site of the wooden cross on Carnethy hill
and created a rough cairn but, although some of the stones were replenished over
the following years, there is little now left to mark the spot. A Camethy Hill
Race is held annually and is said to commemorate the march of the Scottish army
from Biggar to Roslin.
As a follow up to the history of the Battle of Roslin it
may be of interest that on 1' March 1303 Sir Henry St Clair and Lady Margaret
Ramsay were married. In 1304 Edward once again attempted an invasion of Scotland
but was unable to subdue Sir William Wallace by force of arms although shortly
afterwards Wallace was betrayed by Sir John Monteith, a name that has gone down
in Scottish history as that of an arch-traitor. As a result Sir William Wallace
was captured and taken to London where he was tortured and subjected to a mock
trial before being executed in 1305.
A year later Sir Symon Fraser was taken prisoner at the
Battle of Methuen and taken to the Tower of London. Legend asserts that Sir
Symon Fraser was substituted for a common felon by the brother of Bill Clelland
who was a senior warder of the Tower and that Sir Symon was smuggled across to
France and thence to Rome where he passed the remainder of his days in quiet
seclusion.
Sir John Comyn (The Red) laid claim to the crown of
Scotland but was slain by Sir Robert the Bruce at Dumfries in 1306. Sir Robert
the Bruce assumed the mantle of Sir William Wallace and was crowned King of
Scotland in 1306, thus uniting the nobles of Scotland and enabling an
overwhelming defeat to be inflicted on the English at the Battle of Bannockburn
in 1314 and bringing to a halt the lengthy Wars of Scottish Independence.
With Thanks to the Roslin Heritage Society
1314 24th June William Ramsay joins forces with King Robert the Bruce to
defeat Edward II of England at Bannockburn.
1320 William Ramsay - Signatory to the declaration of Arbroath where
Scottish Barons appealed to the Pope against the oppression of the English.
The Declaration of Arbroath
"For as long as but one hundred of us remain alive,
we will never on any conditions
submit to the domination of the English.
It is not for glory nor riches, nor honours
that we fight, but for freedom alone,
which no good man gives up except with his life".
1342 Sir Alexander de Ramsay (Our own Braveheart)
Now three other names come prominently into focus to fight for Scotland’s
independence, amongst others — two men and a woman. The young men were Sir
Alexander Ramsay of Dalwolsey, as Dalhousie was originally spelt, and Sir
William Douglas, illegitimate son of the late Sir James, known as the Knight of
Liddesdale and the Flower of Chivalry.
The first person of distinction that bore the name in Scotland was the SIR
WILLIAM RAMSAY whose noble and warlike character is eulogised by Fordoun. He was
the friend of Robert Bruce, by whose side he fought throughout the War of
Independence, and was one of the nobles who subscribed the celebrated memorial
to the Pope, in 1320, vindicating the rights and liberties of their country. SIR
ALEXANDER RAMSAY, the son of this baron, was one of the noblest and bravest of
Scottish patriots.
Sir Alexander acquired such distinction by his gallant exploits in defence of
his country that, according to Fordoun, to serve in his band was considered a
branch of military education requisite for all young gentlemen who meant to
excel in arms.
At the head of a body of knights and soldiers, whom his fame as a daring and
skilful warrior had drawn around him, he sallied from the crags and caves of
Hawthornden, near Edinburgh, where he found shelter. He intercepted the convoys
of the enemy, captured their provisions, cut off their stragglers, and seriously
hindered their operations. He was one of the leaders of the force, which, in
1335, inflicted a crushing defeat on the Flemish auxiliaries under the command
of the Count Namur, on the Boroughmuir of Edinburgh. He even penetrated into
Northumberland, which he wasted with fire and sword; and, on his homeward march,
defeated a powerful body of the enemy near Wark Castle, and killed or captured
them almost to a man.
The lady, was Black Agnes, Countess of Dunbar and March, and the daughter of
the late Regent, Randolph, Earl of Moray, and therefore a kins woman of Bruce.
Her husband appears to have been less notable; but during his absence his
wife, in Dunbar Castle, barred the way of one of the many punitive English
armies marching north from the Border to try to restore Edward Balliol in 1338.
So Black Agnes got herself besieged, deliberately the object being to give time
for the loyal forces to rally, gather and resist. Montague, Earl of Salisbury,
the English commander, could not leave this hornet’s nest behind him to cut
his lines of communication.
Dunbar Castle, now only a couple of fangs of masonry, was all but impregnable
before the days of artillery, built uniquely on separate stacks of rock, with
linking, bridging corridors, at the mouth of Dunbar harbour, a very difficult
place for a land-based force to take. So there was nothing for it but for the
English to settle down to a siege.
For nineteen weeks, no less, Black Agnes defied the enemy. Attacks as they
would, and did, Salisbury’s troops were repulsed.
Salisbury realised that he would require aid by sea, and sent for an English
fleet. When this came, it brought heavy siege-machinery, mangonels, great
catapults for the hurling of stones, and covered battering-rams known as sows.
With these in action, the Countess herself used mockingly to parade the walls
and parapet-walks in sight of the enemy, dusting off the gashes and marks made
by the missiles with her white kerchief — to the fury of the attackers. She
even gave Salisbury a taste of his own medicine, calling down:
‘Beware, Montagow (his surname) for farrow shalt thy sow!’ and having
large lumps of displaced masonry flung down upon the battering-rams and so
crushing them and their operators.
After some weeks, the defenders ran out of food and might have been forced to
surrender. It was then that Sir Alexander Ramsay, who had already distinguished
himself in many forays against the occupying forces, came to the rescue.
He could not seek to challenge the English fleet, but loading up a flotilla
of fishing-boats from the Forth havens with food and drink, and approaching at
dawn from behind the cover of the mighty Bass Rock, by seeming to be engaged in
fishing he got his craft through the enemy lines and then made a dash for the
Dunbar harbour before the large vessels could raise sail to intercept. He was
able to land his precious cargo and bring fresh fighting-men to the garrison.
In a night attack, in 1342, he stormed the strong fortress of Roxburgh,
situated near the confluence of the Teviot and the Tweed. The situation of this
famous stronghold on the Borders rendered the possession of it during the
continued warfare between England and Scotland of great importance to both of
the contending parties. It was, therefore, usually the first place of attack on
the breaking out of hostilities, was the scene of several daring exploits during
the War of Independence, and frequently changed masters.
Sir Alexander Ramsay was rewarded for the important service which he had
rendered by its capture, by the appointment of governor of the castle, and was
also nominated by the King (David II.), Sheriff of Teviotdale, a post which had
been previously held by Sir William Douglas, the Knight of Liddesdale.
Deeply offended at this act, Douglas vowed vengeance against the new sheriff,
who had been his friend and companion in arms, and suddenly pounced upon him
while he was holding his court in the church of Hawick. Ramsay, having no
suspicion of injury from his old comrade, invited Douglas to take his place
beside him. But the ferocious Baron, drawing his sword, attacked and wounded his
unsuspecting victim, and throwing him bleeding across a horse, carried him off
to the remote and solitary castle of Hermitage, amidst the morasses of
Liddesdale, where he cast him into a dungeon and left him to perish of hunger.
Sir Alexander is said by Fordoun to have prolonged his existence for
seventeen days by the grains of corn, which fell through the crevices in the
floor from a granary above his prison. Nearly four centuries and a half after
the foul murder of this gallant patriot, a mason employed in building a wall
beside the castle, laid open a vault about eight feet square, in which, amid a
heap of chaff, there were found some human bones, along with the remains of a
saddle, a large bridle-bit, and an ancient sword. These relics were conjectured,
with great probability, to have belonged to the gallant but unfortunate Ramsay,
whose cruel death excited great and general indignation and sorrow among all
classes of his contemporaries. ‘He had done a great deal,’ said Fordoun, ‘for
the King and for the country’s freedom; he had felled the foe everywhere
around; greatly checked their attacks; won many a victory; done much good, and,
so far as men can judge, would have done much more had he lived longer. In brave
deeds of arms and in bodily strength he surpassed all others of his day.’ And
Wyntoun, after mentioning the sad fate, which befell this brave and popular
leader, adds—
‘He was the greatest menyd [lamented] man
That any could have thought on than,
Of his state or of more by far,
All menyt him baith better and waur,
The rich and puir him menyde baith,
For of his dede [death] was meikie skaith’ [damage].
So ended two of the brightest hopes for Scotland’s cause, for
after such behaviour Douglas’s name was abhorred by patriotic Scots, and after
a short-time he was ambushed by his own nephew and slain.
What caused the so-called Flower of Chivalry to act so has puzzled many.
Ramsay’s ghost is believed to haunt Hermitage.
Edward Balliol, however, from his Northumberland bases, suffered a series of
humiliating defeats, and suddenly the usurper had had enough. King Edward had to
come storming up to urge him on, and in a dramatic scene at the recaptured
Roxburgh the puppet monarch snatched off his crown, grabbed up a handful of
earth and pebbles from the ground and thrust all into the Plantagenet’s hand.
Symbolising his final renunciation of the Scots throne.
1355 Sir William Ramsay defeats the English at Nisbet Moor
SIR WILLIAM RAMSAY, the son of this lamented patriot, inherited not a few of
his father’s virtues, and, in one of his raids across the Border, he defeated
and took prisoner Sir Thomas Grey, of Chillingham, governor of Norham Castle, an
ancestor of Earl Grey and the Earl of Tankerville.
1360.—WILLIAM RAMSAY, (14th) Earl of Fife, died
about this period and was interred in the Abbey of Dunfermline.
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1387 ID: I12118
Name: *Walter Ogilvy
Sex: M
Birth: ABT 1347 in Auchterhouse, Angusshire, Scotland
Death: 1391 in Auchterhouse, Angusshire, Scotland
Note: Sir Walter Ogilvy, of Auchterhouse; married
Isabel, daughter and heir of Sir Malcolm Ramsay; and was killed in a
skirmish with robbers 1391.
Note: Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, 106th Edition,
Charles Mosley Editor-in-Chief, 1999
Note: Page: 45
Note: ===============
Note: OGILVY, EARL OF AIRLIE
Note: {James Balfour Paul (ed.): The Scots Peerage,
Volume I, Edinburg 1904}
Note:
SIR WALTER OGILVY OF AUCHTERHOUSE, Knight, Sheriff of Angus. He
is designed 'Walter of Ogylwy miles' in a charter by Thomas
Sybald of Moneythin to Andrew Petcary of the lands of Monethin
about 1368. On 24 October 1385 he had a grant from King
Robert II. of an annualrent out of the lands of Kyngaltny. He
was Sheriff of Angus before 1380. Douglas and Crawford state
that he obtained the office by his marriage with Isabel Ramsay,
daughter and heiress of Sir Malcolm Ramsay, Lord of
Auchterhouse, but give no authority for their statement, and
some doubt is cast upon it by a confirmation by King James III.,
18 February 1482-3, of a charter by the late Alexander of
Ogilvy, Sheriff of Forfar, of the lands of Balkery to his
sister Matilda of Ramsay, relict of William of Fenton: the date
of the original charter is therein stated to be at Auchterhouse,
21 August 1488, which is impossible, and is most probably a
mistranscription of 1388, one of the witnesses being
Sir David Lindesay of Glenesk, who was created Earl of Crawford
in 1398. Sir Walter Ogilvy's mother's name is unknown. Sir
Walter of Lichtoun, who was killed along with him, is called his
uterine brother. He was killed at the battle of
Glenbrierachan or Glasklune in 1392 repelling an inroad of
Highlandmen, and is celebrated by the chronicler Wyntoun as
'stout and manfull, bauld and wycht,' and as 'Godlike, wis, and
wertuous.' He had issue:
Change Date: 6 MAR 2007
Father:
*Walter Ogilvy b: ABT 1311 in Wester Powrie, Angusshire,
Scotland
Marriage 1
*Isabel Ramsay b: ABT 1350 in Argyllshire, Scotland
Children
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*Alexander Ogilvy b: ABT 1374 in Auchterhouse, Angusshire,
Scotland
Thanks to Rex Malcolm Ramsay for 1385 information
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